Legislature(1995 - 1996)

03/27/1995 03:40 PM Senate RES

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 SRES - 3/27/95                                                                
                                                                               
         SJR 20 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FISHING QUOTAS                         
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN LEMAN brought up SJR 20 as the next order of business                
 before the Senate Resources Committee.  The chairman called the               
 first witness.                                                                
                                                                               
 KARL OHLS, Executive Director, Western Alaska Fisheries Development           
 Association, testifying from Anchorage, stated he supports SJR 20.            
 Mr. Ohls stated CDQ groups are interested in a set-aside of CDQ's             
 for all species, so that the groups will not be dependent upon                
 revenue from a single species.  This resolution reflects that goal.           
                                                                               
 TAPE 95-29, SIDE A                                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR expressed surprise at the addition of crab, and                
 asked Mr. Ohls to comment on that.                                            
                                                                               
 MR. OHLS responded, "The North Pacific Fisheries Management Council           
 (NPFMC) is working on a comprehensive rationalization [?] plan                
 which will become the allocation plan for all species under their             
 management, which includes the Bering Sea crab resource, the                  
 Pacific cod resource, the yellowfin sole,...so crab is a part of              
 that."                                                                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked Mr. Ohls if he is correct in believing that              
 the CDQ allocation is somewhat controversial.                                 
                                                                               
 MR. OHLS replied, "Only as much as the current program would be               
 controversial."                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR HOFFMAN asked, "On the crab issue, wasn't it the Alaskan              
 Crab Association that offered an allocation last year to start at             
 3%?"                                                                          
                                                                               
 MR. OHLS responded that the council has been working for some time            
 of deciding allocation.  Somewhere down the road they are going to            
 get to allocations of all these different species.  Licenses,                 
 CDQ's, IFQ's, whatever is appropriate.  Members of the industry are           
 talking with each other about what they'd like to see.  Last year,            
 the Alaska Crab Coalition broached the subject of a 3% crab                   
 allocation in the Bering Sea for CDQ's, with a three-year time                
 limit on it.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 080                                                                    
                                                                               
 KIM METCALFE HELMAR, Special Assistant, Department of Community &             
 Regional Affairs, stated the administration supports SJR 20.  Ms.             
 Helmar reads a written statement, giving statistics on unemployment           
 and income levels before and after implementation of the CDQ                  
 program in the region affected by the program.  Both income and               
 employment levels rose after implementation of the CDQ program.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked why the administration opposes IFQ's.                    
                                                                               
 MS. METCALFE HELMAR responded she could not answer that question.             
                                                                               
 Number 116                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR HOFFMAN asked Ms. Metcalfe Helmar if she could speak on the           
 fiscal note.                                                                  
                                                                               
 [No answer is discernable on the recording.]                                  
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented that the resolution appears to ask the               
 federal government to make an allocation decision regarding a state           
 resource.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 132                                                                    
                                                                               
 DAVID BENTON, Acting Deputy Commissioner, Department of Fish &                
 Game, stated he has worked for both the Hickel administration and             
 the Knowles administration, and both administrations have strongly            
 supported the CDQ program.  He urged support of SJR 20.  In regards           
 to Senator Taylor's question, Mr. Benton responded that, by and               
 large, these are resources that are not in state waters.  The vast          
 bulk of the Bering Sea crab resource is in federal waters.  In the            
 Gulf of Alaska, it is a different situation all together, and                 
 Senator Taylor's concern would be valid.                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented he has always supported CDQ's, but he is             
 fearful that sooner or later they will end up pitting one community           
 against another.  He finds the current IFQ's violative of our                 
 state's rights.  Governor Knowles promised to file a lawsuit on               
 IFQ's and promised to oppose IFQ's, yet now he is not doing that.             
 Senator Taylor believes 70% of IFQ's are owned by people in                   
 Seattle.  That is the ownership of fish.  He supports the concept             
 of SJR 20, but he cannot support the concept of allowing the                  
 federal government to make allocation of fish from state waters.              
                                                                               
 MR. BENTON responded he agrees with Senator Taylor wholeheartedly,            
 and he thinks the governor would agree as well.  The governor                 
 really struggled with the decision regarding joining the Alliance             
 Against IFQs' lawsuit on halibut and sablefish.  The governor does            
 support setting aside a percentage of the quota for entry-level               
 fisheries.  Neither former Governor Hickel nor Governor Knowles is            
 supportive of bringing CDQ's into the Gulf of Alaska, for the very            
 reasons listed by Senator Taylor.  We have considered and are                 
 trying to develop some other programs for the gulf that would allow           
 for small-boat fisheries in coastal communities and entry-level               
 fisheries.  Mr. Benton stated he presently represents the state on            
 the NPFMC.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 274                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD stated he appreciated the governor's testimony at             
 the hearing in Anchorage, and agreed with the general direction.              
 He wondered if the committee should add a further resolve to SJR
 20, in effect stating that if there are new IFQ allocations                   
 considered, that at least x% be considered in CDQ's and entry               
 provisions.  That supports what U.S. Senator Stevens and the                  
 governor are trying to accomplish.  He agrees with the comments               
 about the gulf too.  Senator Halford stated he would trade all the            
 IFQ's in the Bering Sea for CDQ's.                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented that his primary concern was in trying to            
 maintain some level of consistency.  The management of mammals was            
 taken away from the state in 1978; ADF&G no longer manages seals,             
 which he used to hunt and eat.  ADF&G no longer manages sea lions,            
 whales, or walrus.                                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD noted that management of those mammals was actually           
 taken over by the federal government in 1973.                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR added that now the state has lost management control           
 of sablefish, and will possibly lose control of all groundfish and            
 crab.  He does not think the state should voluntarily forfeit its'            
 right to allocation.                                                          
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN LEMAN added he would not support that either, and would              
 certainly be willing to amend SJR 20 to accommodate that concern.             
 He doesn't think Senator Hoffman would be opposed to that type of             
 revision.                                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR HALFORD expressed agreement with Senator Taylor on the                
 inside allocation issues.  However, he is not above helping any               
 segment of Alaska's population get anything it can from the                   
 outside.  He would like to make them all CDQ's.                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented he doesn't have any problem with the                 
 Machiavellian aspect of it, he would probably do it too.  It's just           
 that he would like to have it done by us, not done to us.                     
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN LEMAN stated he would like to hold SJR 20 over to work out           
 something.  He asked Mr. Benton to help with that.  The chairman              
 noted he would like to hear the resolution again on April 5th.                

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